i had started to work at penn state before i even graduated brown. in those days we used to have two weeks of reading for the final exams and the wholexd bit and senior paper and that kind of stuff. and i was a decent student so i was able to get down there and i worked for a week at penn state before i graduated brown and i stayed there for the rest of my life. >> it's so interesting because the reverberations of this remarkable conflict inside iran hadn't been felt around the region yet and i've always been struck by that. people don't even talk about it that much but when you see the dynamic playing out in iran-- i don't want to speng with too much authority, i haven't been there in years-- but you could see the putting down of this current round of dissent. there was a military dictator with the revolutionary guards at the forefront but you feel that's not the end of the story. for instance, i talked toro othr people that follow it closely. there does seem to be -- if this avenue of dissent is going to be closed it's going to find another way to